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		<title>Marvel Legacy Numbering &#8211; Marvel Universe</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[A reference guide to the legacy numbering of several Marvel series relaunched multiple times over the years.]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Legacy numbering started out as a fun gift to fans, sort of a way to apologize for relaunching so many series.  However, Marvel has managed to overcomplicate it as they really stretch the definition of a legacy series, as well as adding in mini-series, and also not understanding proper math skills.  <a href="https://www.comichron.com/faq/legacynumberingatmarvel.html">John Jackson Miller at Comichron has a really good explanation for the logic behind most of the legacy numbering</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color: #000000;">It&#8217;s important to understand that Marvel&#8217;s goal was not to create a census counting all issues published under a series&#8217; name, but rather to restore the post-1960s numbering that most of its legacy titles spent the longest amount of time under. Hence, </span><em style="color: #000000;"><span style="font-weight: bolder;">Captain America</span></em><span style="color: #000000;"> gets the credit for </span><em style="color: #000000;"><span style="font-weight: bolder;">Tales of Suspense</span></em><span style="color: #000000;"> issues he was not in, because the longest-running Captain America title took over the numbering of </span><em style="color: #000000;">Tales</em><span style="color: #000000;"> and any attempt to force imaginary numbering on a plurality of the series&#8217; issues would be counterproductive. The idea, rather, was to pretend that the wave of 1990s-and-later reboots never happened. So, too, there is no error in leaving out the first six issues of </span><em style="color: #000000;"><span style="font-weight: bolder;">Incredible Hulk</span></em><span style="color: #000000;">&#8216;s original run; they were never presumed to be part of the sequence by collectors during the hundreds of issues the </span><span style="font-weight: bolder; color: #000000;"><em>Tales to Astonish</em></span><span style="color: #000000;">-born series ran, and have no more role in its renumbering than the Golden Age Captain America title does.</span></p></blockquote>
<p>Another key to determining legacy numbering is finding the core series of a franchise, even if it didn&#8217;t have the exact same name.  Also, specially numbered issues (such as #-1, #0, or any number with a decimal) are not counted in the whole numbers.</p>
<p>The &#8220;Quick Math&#8221; section under each series is what number to add to an issue from a particular volume to get its legacy number.</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>Fantastic Four</strong></span><br />
<span style="text-decoration: underline;">#1-416<br />
</span>Fantastic Four volume 1 #1-416<br />
(series began in 1961)</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">#417-429</span><br />
Fantastic Four volume 2 #1-13<br />
(&#8220;Heroes Reborn&#8221; series launched in 1996)<br />
Quick math:  416</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">#430-499</span><br />
Fantastic Four volume 3 #1-70<br />
(&#8220;Heroes Return&#8221; series launched in 1997)<br />
key issues:<br />
&#8211;#35 (464) - first Carlos Pacheco issue<br />
&#8211;#42 (471) &#8211; legacy numbering printed on covers starting with this issue until #500<br />
&#8211;#60 (489) &#8211; first Mark Waid issue<br />
Quick math:  429</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">#500-588</span><br />
Fantastic Four volume 1 #500-588<br />
(series reverted to original numbering in 2003)</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">#589-599</span><br />
FF #1-11<br />
(series launched in 2011 as part of Jonathan Hickman&#8217;s run)<br />
Quick math:  588</p>
<p><em>The &#8220;FF&#8221; series continued after the publication of Fantastic Four #600, with numbering from #12-22.  Those issues are not included in any legacy numbering.</em></p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">#600-611</span><br />
Fantastic Four volume 1 #600-611<br />
(series again reverted to original numbering in 2012)</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">#612-627</span><br />
Fantastic Four volume 4 #1-16<br />
(series launched in 2013 as part of &#8220;Marvel NOW!&#8221;)<br />
Quick math:  611</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">#628-641</span><br />
Fantastic Four volume 5 #1-14<br />
(series launched in 2014 as part of &#8220;All New Marvel NOW!&#8221;)<br />
Quick math:  627</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">#642-645</span><br />
Fantastic Four volume 1 #642-645<br />
(series reverted to original numbering in 2015)</p>
<p><em>Since Disney owned Marvel, but Fox controlled the FF movie rights, the comic series was put on hiatus for a few years due to corporate egos.  However, Disney bought Fox and thus regained the movie rights, allowing the comic to return.</em></p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">#646-693</span><br />
Fantastic Four volume 6 #1-48<br />
(series launched in 2018)<br />
Quick math:  645</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">#694-current</span><br />
Fantastic Four volume 7 #1-current*<br />
(series launched in 2022)<br />
Key issue:<br />
&#8211;#7 (700) &#8211; milestone issue celebrated<br />
Quick math:  693</p>
<p><em>*as of the September 2024 solicitations, the most recent issue is #25 (718)</em></p>
<p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Daredevil</span></strong><br />
<span style="text-decoration: underline;">#1-380</span><br />
Daredevil volume 1 #1-380<br />
(series began in 1964)</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">#381-499</span><br />
Daredevil volume 2 #1-119<br />
(&#8220;Marvel Knights&#8221; series launched in 1998)<br />
Key issues:<br />
&#8211;#1-8 (381-388) &#8211; &#8220;Guardian Devil&#8221; by Kevin Smith<br />
&#8211;#22 (402) - legacy numbering printed on covers starting with this issue until #81 (461)<br />
&#8211;#26-50 (406-430) and #56-81 (436-461) &#8211; Brian Michael Bendis run<br />
&#8211;#82 (462) &#8211; Ed Brubaker run begins, series moves out of the Marvel Knights imprint and drops dual numbering.<br />
Quick math:  380</p>
<p><em>Although the dual numbering did not get officially added to the covers until #22 (402), the cover artists had been incorporating the legacy numbering into their signatures from the beginning of the series.</em></p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">#500-512</span><br />
Daredevil volume 1 #500-512<br />
(series reverted to original numbering in 2009)</p>
<p><em>While &#8220;Daredevil&#8221; was relaunched, &#8220;Black Panther:  The Man Without Fear&#8221; was launched continuing the numbering from Daredevil.  It ran from #513-523 and then was renamed as &#8220;Black Panther:  The Most Dangerous Man Alive&#8221; for #523.1-529.  None of those issues are included in the legacy numbering for Daredevil, although Marvel did include them in Black Panther&#8217;s legacy numbering.</em></p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">#513-548</span><br />
Daredevil volume 3 #1-36<br />
(series launched in 2011)<br />
Quick math:  512</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">#549-566</span><br />
Daredevil volume 4 #1-18<br />
(series launched in 2014)<br />
Quick math:  548</p>
<p><em>Both &#8220;Daredevil&#8221; volumes 3 and 4 were completely written by Mark Waid and are even collected within the same hardcover and TPB series.  Perhaps the series was getting too close to #50 and Marvel had to cancel it with their fear of high numbers?</em></p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">#567-594</span><br />
Daredevil volume 5 #1-28<br />
(series launched in 2015)<br />
Quick math:  566</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">#595-612</span><br />
Daredevil volume 1 #595-612<br />
(series reverted to original numbering as part of <em>Marvel Legacy</em> initiative.)</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">#613-648</span><br />
Daredevil volume 6 #1-36<br />
(series launched in 2019)<br />
Quick math:  612</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">#649-662</span><br />
Daredevil volume 7 #1-14<br />
(series launched in 2022)<br />
Quick math:  648</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">#663-current</span><br />
Daredevil volume 8 #1-current*<br />
(series launched in 2023)<br />
Quick math:  662</p>
<p><em>*as of the November 2024 solicitations, the most recent issue is #15 (677)</em></p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>Incredible Hulk</strong></span><br />
<em>Hulk debuted in his own series called &#8220;The Incredible Hulk&#8221; which was cancelled after 6 issues.  That series is not included in any legacy numbering.  However, due to inconsistency of volume numbering (would the series that continued from Tales to Astonish count as volume 1 or volume 2?), we will refer to each Incredible Hulk series by the year it was launched.  If &#8220;The Incredible Hulk&#8221; is used without a year number, it refers to numbering consistent with the series that continued from Tales to Astonish.  This series also includes the most glaring error for a milestone issue.</em></p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">#1-101</span><br />
Tales to Astonish #1-101</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">#102-474</span><br />
Incredible Hulk #102-474<br />
(series continued numbering from <em>Tales to Astonish</em>)</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">#475-485</span><br />
Hulk #1-11<br />
(series was launched in 1999, without an adjective)<br />
Quick math:  474</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">#486-586</span><br />
Incredible Hulk (1999) #12-112<br />
Quick math:  474</p>
<p><em>The &#8220;Incredible&#8221; adjective was added to the &#8220;Hulk&#8221; series starting with #12 (486).  When another Hulk series was launched in 2007, the numbering of this series continued as &#8220;The Incredible Hercules&#8221; from #113-141.  While Marvel has done this &#8220;relaunch but continue the old numbering for a new title&#8221; trick many times, I believe this is the only time the numbering did not come from the original legacy numbering.</em></p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">#587-598</span><br />
Hulk (2008) #1-12<br />
Quick math:  586</p>
<p><em>After the release of &#8220;Incredible Hulk&#8221; #600, this series continued from #13-57, and then for another ten issues as &#8220;Red She-Hulk&#8221;.  Only these first 12 issues are counted in the legacy numbering.</em></p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">#599-610</span><br />
Incredible Hulk #600-611<br />
Quick math:  subtract 1</p>
<p><em>Marvel messed up the math and issued &#8220;Incredible Hulk&#8221; #600 an issue early, causing all of the issues until the next relaunch to be a number ahead.</em></p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">#611-634</span><br />
Incredible Hulks #612-635<br />
Quick math:  subtract 1</p>
<p><em>Some outlets may not count the slight name change to plural form as a separate series.</em></p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">#635-649</span><br />
Incredible Hulk (2011) #1-15<br />
Quick math:  634</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">#650-669</span><br />
Indestructible Hulk #1-20<br />
Quick math:  649</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">#670-685</span><br />
Hulk (2014) #1-16<br />
Quick math:  669</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">#686-708</span><br />
Totally Awesome Hulk #1-23<br />
Quick math:  685</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">#709-717</span><br />
Incredible Hulk #709-717<br />
(series reverted to original numbering as part of <em>Marvel Legacy</em> initiative.)</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">#718-767</span><br />
Immortal Hulk #1-50<br />
Quick math:  717</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">#768-781</span><br />
Hulk (2021) #1-14<br />
Quick math:  767</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">#782-current</span><br />
Incredible Hulk (2023) #1-current*<br />
Key issue:<br />
&#8211;#19 (800) &#8211; milestone issue celebrated<br />
Quick math:  781</p>
<p><em>*as of the November 2024 solicitations, the most recent issue is #19 (800)</em></p>
<h2>Annuals</h2>
<p>Annuals have created their own kind of problems with legacy numbering. From the 1960s through the mid-1990s, Marvel numbered annuals sequentially, although they referred to some as &#8220;King Size&#8221; and/or &#8220;Specials&#8221;.  Starting in 1995, the X-Men titles got annuals labelled by year (ex. &#8217;95) with the practice expanding to the rest of the Marvel line in 1996.  In 1998, all of the Marvel annuals were team-ups, and some characters or groups were represented in multiple annuals.  In most cases, whichever series was referred to first in the title claims that annual.  From 1999-2001, Marvel continued to number by year (using all four digits), and then discontinued annuals in favor of extra regular issues during the year.  Sometime in the late 2000s, annuals returned, but there has been no consistency among numbering practices.  Some series got legacy numbers, some get a new Annual #1 to go with each relaunch, and some Annuals get renumbered even if the parent series had not been relaunched.  And naturally, over the years, there have been misnumbered and forgotten annuals.</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>Fantastic Four</strong></span><br />
#1-27 &#8211; numbered sequentially<br />
#28 &#8211; Fantastic Four/Fantastic Four &#8217;98 (yup, the FF teamed up with themselves in this annual that matches up with volume 3 of the main series)<br />
#29-31 - Marvel used the full years for numbering:  1999-2001, going along with volume 3<br />
#32-33 &#8211; numbered sequentially</p>
<p><em>The &#8220;Uncanny X-Men/Fantastic Four&#8221; annual in 1998 belongs with the Uncanny X-Men series.</em></p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>Daredevil</strong></span><br />
#1-4 &#8211; numbered sequentially<br />
#5 &#8211; mislabeled as another #4, as they had skipped 13 years between annuals.  (The &#8220;wrong&#8221; Annual #4 is the Atlantis Attacks tie-in from 1989)<br />
#6-10 &#8211; numbered sequentially<br />
#11 &#8211; Daredevil/Deadpool &#8217;97<br />
#12 &#8211; Annual #1 in 2007, going along with Ed Brubaker&#8217;s run<br />
#13 &#8211; Annual #1 in 2012, by Alan Davis as part of a crossover with FF Annual #33 and Wolverine Annual #1<br />
#14 &#8211; Annual #1 again in 2016 by Charles Soule<br />
#15 &#8211; yet another Annual #1, from 2018</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>Incredible Hulk</strong></span><br />
#1-20 &#8211; numbered sequentially<br />
#21 &#8211; Incredible Hulk &#8217;97<br />
#22 &#8211; Hulk/Sub-Mariner &#8217;98<em><br />
</em>#23-25 &#8211; Marvel used the full years for numbering:  1999-2001, going along with the relaunched series.<br />
#26 &#8211; Incredible Hulks Annual #1 (2011)<br />
#27 &#8211; Indestructible Hulk Annual #1 (2013)<br />
#28 &#8211; Hulk Annual #1 (2014)<br />
#29 &#8211; Hulk Annual #1 (2023), comes between Hulk (2021) #14 and Incredible Hulk (2023) #1</p>
<p><em>X-Man/Hulk &#8217;98 counts as an annual for the &#8220;X-Man&#8221; series.</em></p>
<p>Other Marvel Legacy numbering articles:<br />
<a href="http://comicbinding.com/reference/amazing-spider-man-legacy-numbering">-Spider-Man</a><br />
<a href="http://comicbinding.com/reference/marvel-legacy-numbering-avengers">-Avengers</a><br />
-X-Men</p>
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		<title>Daredevil by Ed Brubaker</title>
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				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two volumes to cover Brubaker&#8217;s run.  The Marvel Omnibus Editions almost got it right.</p>
<h4>Volume 1:  The Devil His Due</h4>
<p>Daredevil 82-94<br />
Daredevil Annual 1<br />
Daredevil 95-105</p>
<h4>Volume 2: Hell to Pay</h4>
<p>Daredevil 106<br />
Daredevil:  Blood of the Tarantula 1<br />
Daredevil 107-119<br />
Daredevil 500</p>
<p>The annual was released the same month as #101, which was part 2 of 6, so it couldn&#8217;t go during that arc.  Looking after #105, and it just doesn&#8217;t fit Matt Murdock&#8217;s mood.  It has to take place prior to Blood of the Tarantula, which was actually released in lieu of a regular monthly issue between #106-107.  So, looking backward, the only place to put the annual is after #94.</p>
<p>#100 and #500 have backup features and reprints.  I left all of it in #500 because it was in the back, and space wasn&#8217;t an issue.  Normally I would have chopped out the reprint, but I didn&#8217;t feel like reprinting the cover gallery.  I did remove the reprints from #100, and move the rest of the backup material to the end of volume 1.</p>
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